Barbara Churchill is a sought-after master-certifiedexecutive leadership coach who specializes in working with emerging and seniorlevel leaders and entrepreneurs. She is particularly passionate aboutempowering women to embrace their leadership skills and step into morechallenging roles.

In this episode, you’ll hear why trusting our intuition is at the core her message for the world, how a teacher’s negative words in middle school influenced her career path for decades, how to determine which negative thoughts are untrue, what you can do to manage your critical voice, why you need to give a name and character to your inner critic, how to get out of your head and into your heart, and so much more!

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Hey, hey!  It’s Andrea and welcome to the Voice of Influence podcast.

 

Today, I have with me Barbara Churchill.  She is a sought-after master certified executive leadership coach, specializing in emerging and senior level leaders as well as entrepreneurs.  She is particularly passionate about empowering women to embrace their leadership skills and step into more challenging roles.  And I just want to tell you before we get started that her energy is so invigorating and Barbara is just an exciting person to be around.  She really reaches in and helps people kind of spark to life.

Andrea:  So, Barbara, I am just thrilled to have you here today on the Voice of Influence podcast.

Barbara Churchill:  Oh, Andrea, you’re so great!  Thank you so much for your kind words.  I’m excited to be here.  What a fun thing you and I are going to be doing.

Andrea:  This is awesome!  OK, so Barbara, why don’t you share just briefly, what would you say is kind of the core of your message, something that’s kind of driving you and in terms of messaging?

Barbara Churchill:  Oh man and I’m such a chatter.  I’ll try to be brief.  Here’s the gig, you got to trust yourself, period, end of statement.  We need to slow down, listen, and turn within, and trust that inner wisdom that we all have.  I mean, we keep looking outside of ourselves to find the answers and social media does not help.  So we’ve got everything we need right now to be successful.  We absolutely know what’s best for us if we would slow down enough t o listen.

Andrea:  Hmm, interesting.  I really liked that.  So where does this message come from for you, like why this particular one?

Barbara Churchill:  Well, for most of my life, I struggled with a lot of self doubt, you know, that we all have that inner critical voice that tells us that we’re not smart enough or we’re not talented enough or we’re not good enough, you know.  And man, did I listen to that, because no one was telling me that there was anything different.

And I remember, when I was, God, I think it was like eighth grade, I had an eighth grade English teacher and she told me that I was not creative and I was not a good writer.  And I figured, “Okay, she’s in authority.”  I mean she’s a teacher, she should know, right?  And was in such emotional pain after that because I had kind of crafted my entire life, I thought I was going to go be an elementary school teacher.  Well, you can’t do that if you’re not creative.  I mean, this is what I was telling myself, “Well I can’t do that, so I’ve got to figure something else out, “and I didn’t have it and it stayed with me.

That messaging stayed with me for decades and it completely influenced my career path and my ability to create content and the work that I do.  You know, how I looked at myself, and I allowed all of those thoughts to hold me back from going after some of my goals and dreams.  And so when I learned about this critical voice that’s in our head, you know, what it was and how I could manage it and quiet it down, and more importantly, how I could connect with that other voice that one of my intuition, you know that inner wisdom piece.  I mean, it completely changed my life.

So it’s not that we’re never going to have another negative thought.  I think mantras are great.  I think positive thinking is great.  It’s our brains are hardwired.  Science has shown that our brains are hardwired with this negativity.  What we need to do is learn how to manage these thoughts and understand that they aren’t true.  It’s just our reptilian brain doing its thing.  And as long as we can manage those thoughts, we aren’t crippled by them.  And then learning how to tap into that inner wisdom whenever you need it is a crucial skill.

That’s what I really trained my leaders to do is, you know, because great leadership has to do with intuition.  You know, the pain of a child and all that, you know, transforms your whole career when I’ve learned all of this stuff.

Andrea:  So when you say certain thoughts aren’t true, which thoughts exactly are you talking about?  I recognize that sometimes when we are like some of the things that we think that are negative, like negative doesn’t always necessarily mean false.  So which ones are the false ones?

Barbara Churchill:  Well the ones that are all about you and your not measuring up to something, because the inner critic voice is all about keeping you small, keeping you safe, keeping you from coming outside of the box.  Well that’s not what life is, right?  We’re meant to be exploring and experiencing life as fully as we can.  And that inner critic voice keeps us from doing the things that we know we’re meant to do, from getting those goals, from going after that next job, achieving our dreams, or from trying something new.

You can look and notice your thoughts.  You can tell when it’s your inner critic if your thoughts are all negative, all about the problem.  They’re problem based.  They’re talking about you not being enough and you’re not smart enough, don’t try that, who do you think you are; those kinds of thoughts.

Andrea:   Problem based are like solution based?

Barbara Churchill:  Yes.  Yeah, instead of solution focus, instead of being curious, you know.  You can tell when it’s the real inner wisdom piece coming out, when you’re thinking of something and saying, “Well, I wonder if we tried it this way,” or “I’m curious what would happen if this?” Or “Hey, I don’t know if I’m going to get this job or not, but I’m going for it.”  When it’s based in the solution then that’s the real you, that’s the voice you want to be listening to.  When it’s based in a problem that’s your inner critic voice and you’re just going to go into the spin.

Andrea:  Hmm, I like that.  Do you think that a lot of the leaders that you’ve worked with, do they tend to have these thoughts?  Are these thoughts kind of coming from an original place where somebody has said something to them at some point like your teacher did?  I mean, is that part of why?  I know it’s part of why, but I guess I’m wondering if a lot of these thoughts do originally kind of come from other people?

Barbara Churchill:  Well, they do because, you know, you think about it, when you’re a little kid.  Think about yourself as a little kid 4, 5, or 6 years old.  You are out there just living life, you know, happy looking at things.  You’re not sitting here thinking, “I wonder if I’m good enough to play in the sandbox.  I wonder if I’m good enough to swing on that swing set.  I’m wondering if I’m good enough.”  You’re not thinking that, you’re just swinging to go, “Yeah, let’s go,” you know.  “Push me so I can go higher,” right?  I mean there’s nothing there.

So this was all learned behavior.  We look at Barbie dolls and little girls are like, “Oh, I’m comparing myself now.  I’m supposed to look like that.”  You know, we get this messaging from society.  We get it from our own parents and relatives and friends, their limiting beliefs.  They come into us and we’re a sponge as children.  We just learn everything and we take it as the truth.

And I’ll never forget when I taught my kids about this critical voice, my oldest son started to cry.  He was in high school and he said, “Mom, I thought everything I thought was the truth.”

Andrea:  Wow!

Barbara Churchill:  And it’s so powerful to understand that just because you think it doesn’t make it true to get more curious.

Andrea:  That’s interesting.

Barbara Churchill:   Yeah, yeah and I see that in my corporate space.  Let me tell you, the further up you go, and sometimes it’s called the imposter complex, I’m sure you might have heard of that.  Your listeners might have heard of that, you know the “Oh my God, I don’t know what I’m doing in the CEO role.  Someday they’re gonna figure it out.  They’re gonna figure out that I don’t know what I’m doing.”

And it comes across differently between men and women.  Women, they want to be prepared in the meeting.  So what they do is they bring all of their notes.  You know, they’ve got a stack of books they bring into the meeting and what they don’t realize is that they look like they’re unprepared.  The perception is, “Oh my God, what is she got in her hands?”  Men come to that, they have their phone, they will wing it and it looks very, very different.  So the same thoughts are going through their minds, but how it manifests, you know, to the outside world are very different.  But I’ll tell you, this critical voice never goes away, but it’s the learning how to manage it. That’s really the key.  It’s really, really the key.

Andrea:  OK, alright.  Awesome!  So now we know that this critical voices there that it’s not necessarily true.  What are like maybe three or four things that you suggest that people do to manage that voice?

Barbara Churchill:  Well, first and foremost, you have to start noticing and paying attention to what’s going on in your brain.  And I know that that sounds like “What, what do you mean notice what’s going on in my brain?”  But we have over 60,000 thoughts a day.  We’re not paying attention to what’s happening in there and it’s kind of a crazy place and at least mine is.

Andrea:  _____.

Barbara Churchill:  I mean, you find yourself thinking the oddest things.  And so when you start to notice just by the fact that you’re noticing what’s happening in your brain, it starts to separate you from the thought because we believe everything that’s happening in there.  And it’s not true.  You know, if I said to you, “Oh my gosh, elephants are pink.”  “Well, it’s a thought.  It’s not true unless I spray paint them,” right?  So we start noticing what’s happening, noticing what we’re doing.  When I am doing this, what thoughts are getting triggered?

When I think about presenting to the board, what thoughts are getting triggered?  What am I starting to think about that?  “Oh my God, you have to prepare.  You’re not prepared for that.  It’s going to take a lot of overtime.  You’re really not skilled enough for that.”  Are we going down that spin?  Start noticing and then you start asking, “All right, let’s pick one of those thoughts and ask, is it a hundred percent true?  Not just partially true, is it 100 percent true?”  The flip side of that is if it’s not 100 percent true, it is false by the very nature of not being 100 percent true.

So a lot of what we’re thinking we find is our critical voice in our head, and we’re kind of waiting through that and picking the good stuff and realizing how much garbage is really in there.  That’s powerful to just notice because now you’re paying attention, now you’re awake.

Andrea:  Totally!

Barbara Churchill:  And then yeah, discerning which is this thought is, is it problem based?  And if it is, okay, that’s my inner critic and I know it’s automatically false or is it solution focused?  Oh, that’s who I want to play with.  That’s the real me.  Those are great thoughts that I want to keep thinking and nurture and then you know.  So just by doing those three things, noticing, asking if it’s 100 percent true and then categorizing which is it, problem based or solution focused, gives you so much power.

I mean you can save yourself an enormous amount of stress and pain when you start making decisions based on that positive voice, that knowing voice because we all know more than we think we do our experience.  We bring so much into the workspace, so much of our personal lives or experiences or knowledge and our intuition.  That’s that voice of wisdom, that inner voice.

I mean we’ve all had those times in our lives where we just knew what to do.  We really didn’t have, you know, a design, but we’re like, “Yeah, we had a gut feel,” right?  Trust your gut.  That’s where it comes from and we have to start trusting that more, listening to that more rather than the other stuff.

Andrea:  I’m going to come back to that, but first what would you say to somebody who when they start to hear that critical voice and they become aware that this is, “Oh, this is the critical voice, wait a second,” and then they go down another path that isn’t solution based.  It’s actually even more critical because they’re criticizing themselves for being critical.  You know what I mean?  So what would you say to that person?

Barbara Churchill:  I am a big believer in pattern interruption.  So I coach my clients when they start to hear in their heads, “Oh my God, I’m doing the spin cycle.”  That’s what I call it, the spin cycle.  We’re just going down.  We’re just going down, down.  Alright, we either have to clap.  We have to say the word stop out loud.  We have to do something that snaps are brain out of that pattern.

Now if you’re in an elevator, you’re not going to just go stop or clap your hands or people would think you’re strange.  But that’s what I do.  I will do something, “Stop, stop talking.  Stop, stop listening.  Stop, this is true.  Stand up and walk around your desk, shake it off.”  You have to interrupt that pattern; otherwise, your brain is just going to go on autopilot.  It’s like a hamster in a wheel and then you go back to, “OK, what do I know is true?  What do I know is true?  I’m criticizing myself for criticizing.  Isn’t that hysterical?”  Start to be fascinated by your brain and what’s going on in there.

When you get curious, it lightens your load.  No one ever felt really heavy or defeated or negative by being curious.  Well, that’s curious.  You know, it’s a fun word to even say.  It’s a fun feeling to be curious and wonder because there’s all possibilities in that.  “Well, look at my brain go.”

I just did this with a client yesterday.  She was telling me how she was very convicted and how she couldn’t do a particular thing.  She couldn’t make this one phone call.  She’s an entrepreneur, very successful, but she couldn’t make this one phone cal.  And I said, “Wow, are you listening to your brain?  Isn’t it fascinating how totally committed to this story you are?  That’s fascinating.  It’s totally not true because clearly you can pick up a phone, you’re able to do it right and dial the number and speak, but look at your brain go.”  And it separates it from us as people.  It’s just our brain.  It’s that computer in our head that’s just going on autopilot.  Somebody programmed that interestingly today, didn’t they?  Wow!”

Pull yourself away from it.  Stop taking yourself so seriously.  I mean, I laugh a lot.  I laugh a lot at myself because you know; it’s hysterical what’s happening in my head.  I just go, “Wow, look at you gal,” and then you can real yourself in.  “Alright, what do I really want to be thinking?  What’s really true for me?”  And now we’re clicked in to the real you because all of this other stuff is fear and that is fear talking.

I teach my clients a lot of tools and it’s so fun when they get it and so we can use it in our sessions.  I teach them to make a character out of their inner critic, really go deep with it and name it.  My inner critic happens to be named Sharon.  I hope no one’s listening as named Sharon, please don’t take offense.  But you know, if we characterize it so that we can visualize it, well we can send them off you know.

This gal I was talking about yesterday, she named hers Bitty and Bitty loves cheesecake.  She loved to eat cheesecake.  So I said, “You know what, I think Bitty needs a whole cheesecake to herself because you and I have work to do.  Bitty has gotten in to this call and we’ve got stuff to do, let’s send her off.”  So we know.  “OK, visualize there she goes, fork in hand.  She’s gonna go eat cheesecake now.”  I’m in a deal you know.  Let’s game on do the work.

Andrea:  Alright, so I get this.  But I also, at the same time, know that there are some people that are going into, “What, Bitty, what?  Characterize the, you know, whatever.”  Can you explain why that works?

Barbara Churchill:  It removes you, the person from your thought.  It separates that.

Andrea:  Yeah.

Barbara Churchill:  And we need to separate that because we take our thoughts so literally, we take them as truth.  So if I’m thinking about myself that I am not good enough, I don’t know enough, I’m going to feel so awful.  I’m going to believe that.  It’s going to influence my behavior and my behavior is going to influence the results that I get in my life.

Andrea:  Yeah.

Barbara Churchill:  And so if I just change how I’m thinking and realize that my thoughts are just thoughts, I can believe them or not.  It’s my choice.  There’s a lot of power in that and I think that most of us just are on autopilot and we don’t realize that we can really control it.  It’s not about just thinking happy thoughts.  It’s not all unicorns and rainbows, right?  It’s about owning the power that you have to change your thinking because I do things now that I never would have done based on the fact that I understand when my inner critic has entered the room.  “Okay, what’s happening?  Am I stretching myself?  Ah, look at her go.  She’s coming in to save me.  Guess what?  I’ve got this.  No worries.”

Andrea:  Interesting!

Barbara Churchill:  Yeah, by separating you from that messaging that’s the first step.  We really need to create that divide so you know you are not your thoughts.

Andrea:  I think that’s a really important message.  I mean, I know like even when you said don’t take yourself so seriously, I’ve heard that all my life, Barbara.  All my life, I was hearing that.  I was like, what do you mean?  Like I am a serious person, you know, that didn’t help me t just not take myself seriously.  But I think to have someone like you there who can say it’s about this.  I didn’t want to play the games.  I didn’t want to play those kinds of games that you’re talking about playing and I would call those like that’s what I would have called them.

But I think that like you said with the pattern interruption, if you don’t try something new, you’re going to end up down the same road that you are all the time.  I love that.  And so why not try it.  If you know the whole don’t take yourself so seriously, yeah, yeah, you’re tied to your identity.  I get it.  I was too, as a serious person.

But if you do give yourself like this a chance, you know, I’m talking to the audience right now, the person that’s listening.  You know; give yourself a chance to interrupt those thoughts.  And even though you are a serious person, you don’t have to if you are, you don’t have to go down this spiral that Barbara is talking about all the time.  You can interrupt it.  It’s OK if you play a few games because our brains really do need, I mean, I just didn’t realize Barbara how my brain worked.  I didn’t get it.

And so to have someone like you there to say and to tell your son, you know, the thoughts you’re thinking aren’t necessarily true and to have that be like, “Oh my gosh,” like that because I know for me, I felt like my thoughts were me.  Like just the mind is so tied in my identity.

Barbara Churchill:  And there’s such a freedom.  I mean, there is science behind this, right?  There’s absolute science behind this for all you serious people.  And serious people, just because you’re a serious person doesn’t mean that you can’t have fun and doesn’t mean that you can’t change things and you know all of that.  Yes, be a serious person.  We need serious people.  We need serious people who understand that they are not their thoughts.  We need everybody to figure that out, right?

Andrea:  Right.

Barbara Churchill:  But there’s a freedom in that.  There’s a freedom in understanding that, “Yeah, I am not tied to this.  I am not what I think all the time.  I can choose what I want to think and believe because a belief is just a thought we’ve been thinking for a long long time.  A lot of times our beliefs are not our own.  They were given to us by our parents and society and our friends and sometimes they aren’t useful anymore and we find that we’re behaving in a way and we think, “Well, you know what, that’s not in alignment with who I am anymore.  What is that belief?  Will do I even believe that anymore?”  It’s a great thing to question.

Andrea:  And how’s that working for you?

Barbara Churchill:  Yeah, I mean if it isn’t working for you, well, let’s get rid of it.  We don’t have to, you know, agonize over it.  We don’t have to be in pain.  We can say, “Yeah, you know what, that doesn’t work for me anymore.  What would I like to replace it with?  What feels better?  What’s more in alignment with who I am?”  “Oh, OK.”  So we choose that.  Sometimes we make things too hard.

Andrea:  And I think you said who I am and again, like I said before, I think I thought that I was these thoughts.  So who I am or who I could be like the better version of me, I think.  You know the version that’s alive, the version that is free and happy.  You know, there is that side of people that they may not realize if they are serious, going back to that serious person.  But there is that version of you.  What could it be like if you were like that too?  And I think that that’s important to know, to live into the person that you want to be, not just who you think you are now.

Barbara Churchill:  Yeah and redefining who you are.  Maybe your definition of who you are is old and is out of date because you took somebody else’s definition or this was your definition from when you were 22.

Andrea:  Right.

Barbara Churchill:  Well, trust me.  I’m not 22 anymore and I have certainly redefined who I am over and over and over again.  And it isn’t about always feeling happy either.  Well, we’re just going to pick positive thoughts and always feel happy because that’s not realistic.  That’s not who we are.  There are times in our lives when we’re going to be sad and it’s good to feel that, right?  If we love someone so much and we lose them after a long life, like a parent, we’re going to be sad.  Well, if we weren’t sad, if we weren’t willing to be sad then we wouldn’t have been willing to love that deeply in the first place.

So there are feelings that were going to have, you know, our thoughts create our feelings.  I’m getting way too deep, but our thoughts create our feelings and we get to choose these thoughts.  And let’s just make sure that they’re the ones that we really want in there so that they create the kind of feelings that we want to have; positive, difficult, whatever.  Let’s make sure we’re understanding where those thoughts are coming from.  Are they really serving me?  And if not, man, I’ve got the power to change those.  That’s an amazing thing.

Andrea:  OK, so I love that you talk about going, you know, like kind of using your gut a little bit more.  And this is something else that I’m going to tie back into that serious person, because I get them, I guess.  And because I think there are probably a few listening or just anybody, have you ever said to people, and I’ve heard this for myself, but have you ever said to people like you’re so in your head right now then you’re just stuck in your head.

And that’s been something that I have, at times I’ve been like, “Well, OK.”  I’ve heard that from a number of people.  So I’ve asked a number of people and so I’m going to ask you too now, Barbara.  What do you mean by that and how do you get from your head to your gut if that’s where you’re headed or your heart?  And how do you know that that’s the right place to be at that time?

Barbara Churchill:  Ah, these are such good questions.  So there are thinkers and there are feelers.  And thinkers clearly based on the name of them are in their head most of the time.  They’re thinkers, they’re cerebral, and that’s great.  There’s nothing wrong with that at all.  And there are feelers, and they make decisions based on emotion more often than not rather than data or information or anything like that.  And so feelers, and I’m going to be making broad strokes, OK, so bear with me, feelers have a bit of an easier time tapping into that intuition because it’s based in your body.  It’s that feeling when they say trust your gut, it actually is a feeling in your lower abdomen area, right?  That’s your gut.

And people who are more cerebral and count on data and facts have more difficult time making that connection because they are in their heads more.  That’s what that means.  You’re thinking, you’re not utilizing the feelings in your body.  You’re not in touch with your body.  So for those people who are more thinkers, I invite you to start to notice where do you feel things in your body, start the connection between your thoughts and your feelings because one creates the other.

So for example, if you are having a scenario, if you close your eyes, you’ve got a scenario, you’re going to be interviewing for a senior VP job, OK?  What is the thought that you have about that?  And it might be, “Oh, I’m not sure if I’m really ready for that yet.  I’m pretty nervous about it.”  OK, if I just speak from that, that means I’m in my head.  Now, I want you to connect that, where in your body does nervous show up?  When you are thinking this, I want you to feel the nervous.  Where does that show up for you?  Typically for people, it is in their abdomen area.  You know some have it in their chest there might be tightness.

But typically, nervousness is in their abdomen area.  And then I asked them, “And what does that feel like?  Can you describe that for me?”  And it may be a fluttering, it may be a zing of electricity, you know something around that.  So when I’m working with serious people, I really work with trying to connect their head to their body so that they can speak from that and they can learn how to feel into these things.

And then we talk about going a little bit deeper and quieting those thoughts because when our brain has over 60,000 thoughts a day, it’s tough to discern, where is the inner wisdom voice because that voice is pretty calm and collected and knowing.  The inner critic voice can be loud and shouting and derogatory and all of that.  And it’s tough to hear the inner wisdom through all that noise.  Does that help?

Andrea:  Yeah, yeah.  I think one of the questions that tends to really help me too, it’s just what do you want.  What do you really want and that seems to also help me to kind of move from problem solving, trying to figure out the answer sort of thing to a desire, which seems to be more about the gut, I think, than the head.  Yeah that’s so good.

Barbara Churchill:  Yeah and when we don’t worry about the how’s, if we’re trying to solve something and we just say, “OK, let’s not worry about how we get there.  What’s the end results?  What do we want to happen?”  Great question, right?  And that’s it.  “OK, so then how might we get there?”  Now we’re in curiosity mode.  Now, we’re in possibility, now we’re in.  Well, I wonder if we could do this or we could do that.  Now we’re like in a whiteboard, right?  We’re just throwing stuff against the wall.  It makes it so much easier, takes the pressure off because we’re just experimenting.

Andrea:  Yeah and it’s solution-focused, like you said.  I love that.  That’s great.  So, Barbara, if you could leave the audience with some power packed point at the end here.  You know, you care about them.  I know you do.  You’re such a passionate and loving person.  What would you want them to hear today to leave them with?

Barbara Churchill:  I want you to just understand that you are not your thoughts.  Just start getting curious about how your brain works and what’s going on in there, you know.  I mean, it’s an interesting place and it’s got a lot of stuff going on, so start noticing it.  Notice when you’re doing some critical thinking, what’s happening?  What kinds of things are you doing to trigger that?  Notice when you’re having some really great thoughts and what things are you doing to trigger those thoughts, right?  And that how that feels in your body, just start really getting to know what’s going on in that amazing and fascinating brain of yours and don’t judge it.  Just notice, “Wow, that’s amazing.  That’s curious,” right?  Start to get curious, because then you can decide what thoughts do I want to keep, what thoughts do I want to throw away.  That noticing, I’m telling you, it’s extremely powerful.

Andrea:  Hmm.  Alright, so how can the listener find and connect with you if they’re a little intrigued by all of this conversation, Barbara, and who you are, your voice.

Barbara Churchill:  They can find me at barbarachurchill.com.  They can find me on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram; all sorts of things in terms of social media.  But yeah, barbarachurchill.com and Churchill is spelled CHURCHILL.

Andrea:  And was there something you were wanting to share with the audience?

Barbara Churchill:  OK, so you can reach me at barbarachurchill.com, and something that I would really love to give away is something that I offer people who connect with me.  It’s a 60-minute laser-focused call on what’s happening in your world and how can we work together in that 60 minutes.  It’s a powerful hour.  Let me tell you, how can we work together to make some shifts?  Shift your mindset, shift your results, and shift the actions that you’re taking.  I promise, bold, bold decisions, bold actions and bold results, 60 minutes.  So barbarabhurchill.com, you can find the information on it there.  I would love to connect with them.

Andrea:  Awesome!  Thank you for your generosity and thank you for being here today, Barbara, I really appreciate it!  And really, am grateful for your Voice of Influence in the world.

Barbara Churchill:  Oh, thank you so much!  It’s my pleasure.  I loved it!